Star: How do you advise like I guess a smaller scene to try to get bigger, how do you try to inject that passion into other people? I mean are you just going to kind of wait for it to happen or…?
VNV Nation: I think, to be honest, most things are left to chance and most things are left to their natural evolution. I think if you're here in Nashville and you're trying to start a club and you're trying to get people to come along, you’ve got to embrace a lot of alternative cultures in order to get them in. You’ve got to mix and match otherwise you're going to lose people, you can’t just expect everyone in the town that there's got to be a hundred and fifty people a night who want to hear a restricted list of masters they’ve never had access to. You don’t expose them to it and then grow, and then like you can have your pure electro nights, which I think is how it evolves. There were bands, there were nights that were always a mix and match of everything from… oh, what am I talking about, the late 80s/early 90s, they were playing everything from EMF and Underworld which were new and weird, to 242 and Nitzer Ebb and NIN. And people enjoyed it and they came along and they thought this is brilliant, and they got to hear Temple of Love, groan… And they listened to Prodigy and they listened to all these, you know, Smack My Bitch Up and stuff and these kind of clubs. They were mixing and matching everything and people thought this is great, this is alternative music and not simply an elite little label of people who come along to basically smell patulie oil on their corsets. And I’m thinking about some of the guys too, because I’ve seen some of them do it. But I mean, I use that as a, just as a stereotype to get the point across that there is this wall put up in so many cities against other people coming in and being allowed access to the scene. And it’s not going to grow, you can’t say don’t show up unless you're dressed like this. That’s a bit like saying every fetish is about wearing rubber and leather. I know fetish isn’t anything to do with rubber and leather, I can’t actually wear them so sorry, can I not come in? it’s, you have to be embracing an alternative culture, I think, now more than ever in north America, alternative culture is too much cross borderlines. If you’ve got people like AFI at VNV shows with Mindless Self-indulgence, you've got VNV fans on Mindless Self-indulgence shows to reflect that in the club, reflect what the movement is at the time. You know, the Germans have already called it Zeitgeist, we don’t know the word for it in English, but it means the spirit of the age, the spirit of now. There you go.

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